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APEs of Wrath: Alternative Press Expo 2007
It's Tuesday afternoon, and before APE 2007 becomes a distant memory, I'll try to recount some of the events of the past week. I don't have any photos, but, as is the case with every single convention of the past three years, there were about 200 bloggers with digital cameras documenting everything, so you shouldn't have much trouble finding pics if you want them. For my own reference before future conventions, if nothing else, I'll focus more on the production of my comic and thoughts on the "selling myself" side of things. The whole write-up is kind of overlong and disjointed, but then again, so's APE weekend, so it seems appropriate...

*I finished up the art on my latest mini-comic last Tuesday. This was the first time in the seven years that I've been exhibiting at APE that I actually allowed myself enough time to photocopy the art *before* handing things over at the print shop, which allowed me to fix a few problem areas (lettering, not-quite-solid-black areas, spot removal, etc.). I even had enough time to go back and re-draw about a half-dozen panels that just weren't as good as they could have been, which will actually allow me to re-read this one next year without spotting 10 things I'd have done differently on every single page (probably only five per page with this book, which is a new record).

*The only last-minute stuff this year came because it's not as easy to find black construction paper in San Francisco as I'd assumed and because it's not as easy to copy artwork that comes within 1/8" of the page border as I'd thought, either. As a result, I spent the Friday morning before work assembling all 100 copies of my comic.

*Thanks to our local art supply shop, Flax, for having all the black construction paper that I could possibly need: http://www.flaxart.com/ and to Copy Central for all of their help in getting my comic printed on time: http://www.copycentral.com/

*This year's new comic, The Max O'Millions Adventure Society in "The Idol of Svalbard," saw my first price increase since I'd started making mini-comics. All of my previous efforts are $2 books, but this year's comic is a complete 26-page adventure (written by my wife, Shaenon Garrity), and the final project is much more polished than my past efforts (it's a relief to know that I'm still improving from year to year, and that I don't seem to have peaked just yet), and based on what I've seen other artists charge for comparable works, $3 didn't seem too much to ask this time around.

*Unlike past conventions, I finally have a website that I can promote to the 97% of customers who came to my table with no intention of buying anything from me. My other last-minute project involved printing up some flyers advertising my website. Making use of my William Bazillion logo, some light-green cardstock and my workplace's copy machine and paper cutter, I produced a stack of Bazillion dollar bills to promote my website. Instead of standing around growing increasingly bitter as a result of all of the non-sales that took place over the weekend, I was able to inform dozens of potential new readers about the existence of my webcomic. (I'll be selling copies of the mini-comic through my website soon, too, so I've got an additional venue for the unsold comics now that I didn't have last year. Keep checking http://www.webcomicsnation.com/andrew/bazillion or this LiveJournal for updates.)

*Thanks to Shaenon's booksales, we made back our table costs by Saturday afternoon. We managed to cover my printing costs and even turned a decent profit by the time all was said and done. If we'd been paying for airline tickets and a hotel room on top of everything else, I'm not sure how we'd have justified the trip.

The majority of exhibitors at APE live within a few hours' drive of San Francisco, and a lot of the exhibitors who don't live here probably managed to find crash space on a friend's floor or futon. Still, I'm sure that there are a decent number of people who spend money on airfare to get here, stay in a hotel in downtown San Francisco, eat out for every meal while they're in the city, and probably don't sell much more than I do over the course of the weekend. Tables cost nearly $200, three nights in a San Francisco motel sets you back at least another $200, airfare and taxis add another $200-400, food's another $50 if you're eating on the cheap ($100 if you want to use silverware at least a few times during your visit), another $100 for miscellaneous expenses and purchases at the convention, plus anywhere from $100 (what I spent producing my mini-comic) to $3000 on printing expenses, I'm surprised at how many non-locals make the trip every year. Sure, most of those expenses are split up amongst two or three artists sharing table space and hotel rooms, but it's still a lot of money to be made up $2 to $5 at a time.

*For the first time in seven years, the Cartoon Art Museum didn't host a Saturday night after-party, which was another factor in preventing me from losing my temper at any point during the weekend. For the past six APEs, I've gone to the convention center around 10am on Saturday morning, packed up an hour early to go set up for the Cartoon Art Museum's party, locked the doors at CAM around midnight, then made it home by 1am, allowing me a little bit of downtime before heading out the next morning around 10am for another seven hours of conventioneering. Shortening your workday by a full five hours works wonders.

*The floor at the Concourse Exhibition Center, the site for APE the past several years, has got to be one of the hardest substances on earth. When I'm staffing a convention table, I try to stand as much as possible, since it's easier to interact with potential customers that way, but that floor really takes its toll on you by the end of the day. I'm going to have to invest in a rubber floor mat or something similar before next year's show.

*I moderated panel discussions that included Renee French, Debbie Huey, Kevin Huizenga, Hope Larson, Bryan Lee O'Malley, Joe Sayers, Jason Shiga, Art Spiegelman, Chuck Whelon and Gene Yang. I felt slightly underprepared for each panel, but the all of the artists involved were very articulate and clever, and I managed to get through both panels without embarrassing myself too much.

*I also got to catch up with Jeffrey Brown, Charles Brownstein, Jon "Bean" Hastings, Keith Knight, Stephen Notley, Rory Root and about a dozen other folks that I mostly see at comic conventions. It's strange to think that I see some of these people with more regularity and frequency than my extended family back in Ohio.

*I met Amy Kim Ganter (artist of Sorcerors & Secretaries, among other projects) and First Second Marketing Associate Gina Gagliano. Both of them paid me cash for mini-comics that I had attempted to give them for free, which means that I will never say an unkind word about either one of them (not that I was planning to, mind you).

*Big props to our table-mate, Jason Thompson, for keeping us company, buying cookies and preventing anyone from stealing our stuff when we took lunch breaks or went off to moderate panel discussions.

*As usual, I barely got to see any of the other exhibitors except when I was running to moderate my panels or to the bathroom. If I didn't make it over to your table, it's because those ten copies of my mini-comic weren't going to sell themselves, y'know?

*I'm grateful that convention-goers will support the arts by making their way to the not-quite-easy-to-get-to Concourse Exhibition Center and paying admission to get into the Alternative Press Expo, but can someone tell me why 90% of the people that do so don't bring any additional money with them to spend once they're inside? Over and over and over again, this year and over the past seven years that I've been exhibiting at conventions, every time I mention the price of something on my table, more often than not, I hear, "Oh...I don't have any money."

Not to come off as a greedy capitalist type, but on behalf of all of the artists and exhibitors at conventions everywhere, please, please, PLEASE bring ten bucks with you in addition to your entrance fee, food money and bus fare. At least give us that glimmer of hope that we can get two dollars from you. I'm not even going to ask where the money came from, honest. If you're over 16 and you're willing to stand in front of me and read and laugh at several of the comics that I'm attempting to sell, then I trust that you've got good taste, and that you're intelligent, and that you've got at least one marketable skill that will allow you to have at least ten dollars in disposable income one weekend out of the year.

*If my current storyline's still running in The Chronicles of William Bazillion next year (and it might very well be), I need to make myself a t-shirt that says, "Ask Me About Santa's Nazi Gold." I'm sure I'd have doubled my sales if I'd done that.

*The quote of the weekend came when Kevin Huizenga and Art Spiegelman were discussing whether "graphic novels" was a good term for longform comics or not, and if "comics" was even the best word for describing the artform. Spiegelman had discussed this with Dan Clowes earlier in the weekend, and Dan summarized the entire medium with one simple-yet-profound definition: "Comics: Where words and pictures go to fuck." If he'd thought of that 15 years ago, he could've saved Scott McCloud an awful lot of work.



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reppin' the poor, jobless college students living on loans
[info]lovenmitt
2007-04-25 03:58 am UTC (link)
I can't speak for all visitors, but it's hard to know what to say when you like someone's work but aren't necessarily looking to purchase something. Usually I go into a con with about $10 or $15 that I'm willing to spend overall and bringing more just means I'll buy too much stuff. This has made browsing a very awkward experience for me and has made me reluctant to go up to artists' booths, as if I shouldn't go up there and be enthusiastic about somebody's merch unless I am willing to part with some of the contents of my wallet. And I know that lots of the goods aren't expensive, but conventions are overwhelming and filled with all sorts of neat stuff!

I still regret meeting the creator of Beaver and Steve and not even having the funds for a frickin' button.

If you can come up with a polite, satisfactory phrase that I can use at conventions, I'd be very thankful to you! I'll probably still say it in an extremely ashamed fashion, though.

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Re: reppin' the poor, jobless college students living on loans
[info]andrewfarago
2007-04-25 07:47 am UTC (link)
Personally, I like the non-committal "I'm going to check out the rest of the convention, and I'll try to come back later" or something along those lines. Or ask for a business card, or ask the artist if he has a website that they can check out later. That provides a faint glimmer of hope to the weary artist who's experiencing a slower-than-he'd-like sales day (which is probably at least 80% of the artists at a convention like APE) that you'll come back, or will at least keep tabs on his work in the future.

"I came here with no money" or "I don't intend to spend any money here at all" is all well and good to have as your personal philosophy when you're at a convention, but it's not something that the people on the other side of the table really want to hear you say out loud.

Keep in mind that the people who are trying to sell their comics have been plugging away at them for months or years at a time, and this is the big coming out party where they get to share their efforts with the rest of the world and find out whether they've spent their time wisely or not. Some of the artists have traveled a long way to be at these conventions, and they've spent a lot of time and money producing the books that they're trying to sell, and they've also invested a decent amount of money to get a table at the convention. Most of the artists at APE are starting out at least $300 in the hole before the convention hall even opens up on Saturday (not counting the long hours of preparation they've put in since last year's APE), which is why that fragile hope that we can actually sell all of the comics we've printed is so important.

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Re: reppin' the poor, jobless college students living on loans
[info]lovenmitt
2007-04-25 01:23 pm UTC (link)
I'll definitely try to respectfully keep the phrase "I don't have any money" from leaving my mouth the next time I'm at an artist's booth. It's a lot more articulate to provide a better explanation than that.

I really appreciate it that comics people put so much effort (and time, and money) into what they do, so hopefully in the future I'll graduate, go to APE when I finally don't have final exams in April anymore, and then go to your table to say hello and buy something. :)

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Re: reppin' the poor, jobless college students living on loans
[info]andrewfarago
2007-04-25 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! I've been on the "can't spare much money" side as well as the "why can't these people spare any money?" side of the table, and with a little bit of tact on the part of each group, the conventions go a lot easier for everyone.

I think the Diamond Distributors rep who talked to Shaenon on Saturday wins the "No Tact" award for the weekend, though, by a country mile.

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Re: reppin' the poor, jobless college students living on loans
[info]andrewfarago
2007-04-25 06:50 pm UTC (link)
...but that's a story for another time.

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[info]debbiehuey
2007-04-25 04:52 am UTC (link)
Thanks again for inviting me to the panel! I'm glad you did well at APE and even got to get more rest than past years.

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[info]andrewfarago
2007-04-25 07:56 am UTC (link)
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm sorry that Shiga didn't bust out with any new raps, but I think the audience had a really fun time anyway.

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[info]vonandmoggy
2007-04-26 05:57 pm UTC (link)
Good take on it and I echo your comments about the extra $10. My wife and I were at table 359 and I'm really glad I chose to give things away for free (basically trying to drive interest in my bookie). Just by watching our neighbours it was very clear that there were a lot of browsers and no one appeared to be selling loads of stuff. That's unfortunate. Hell, I try and pick up at least some stuff when I scoot around the Concourse floor and I have to lug it back to Canada!

APE, SPX and the like work only if people pay out a few bucks. It doesn't have to be loads, but it has to be something. Since we gave out stuff for free my expectations for the show were somewhat different than most exhibitors, but still...

I don't know if this was just me, but I found the number of attendees a little on the low side this year. My first APE was the 2006 edition and that seemed busier than this. I didn't leave my table much and I certainly don't have a solid overview of the entire event, but I kinda doubt they had 4800 attendees over the two days. I could be way wrong (that certainly wouldn't be a first!) but my sense was the numbers were down.

Now I just have to deal with fatigue and jet lag!

Von

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[info]andrewfarago
2007-04-26 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Floor traffic seemed a lot less crowded on Sunday than it did on Saturday. Saturday attendance may have been up from its usual numbers, but Sunday didn't look like it was breaking any records. The combination of pleasant weather on Sunday and a lot of outdoor activities (including a Giants game and a Cherry Blossom Festival) didn't help things, either.

It tends to be feast or famine at conventions like APE. Fantagraphics and Comic Relief and a few of the bigger publishers seemed to be doing really well all weekend, and people selling t-shirts, toys, prints and hipster merchandise always seem to do well, but it seems like just about everyone else maybe manages to cover costs and possibly even pulls in enough from sales to buy a few comics and eat out a couple of times during the weekend, too.

My guess is that the breakdown of the convention would be that 10% of exhibitors were legitimately thrilled/very pleased with their sales, 20% had decent sales but will tell you that they're in the "thrilled" category, 40% did "okay" and pretty much got the sales that they expected (more or less breaking even) and will admit to it, 25% definitely lost money but will claim that they didn't, and the remaining 5% will actually admit to losing money and actually sit down and re-think whether or not they should keep doing conventions. Simplifying it a bit, my sales estimate is that 10% had a great show, 60% recouped their expenses or didn't lose more money than they'd expected, and that up to 30% didn't come close at all to making back table, travel and printing costs.

If anyone else has a guess as to how the numbers really break down, I'd be interested in hearing other theories.

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[info]vonandmoggy
2007-04-27 10:55 pm UTC (link)
Part of the problem with APE (and other conventions like it) is that it's very difficult to verify any of the attendence numbers. Which is not to say I think anyone is lying or anything like that. For all I know, they could be absolutely accurate. The problem is that there isn't an independent audit available that would give everyone concrete figures to work with. I was a bit surprised, for instance, to see that the program book had a claim of 4800 attendees for the 2006 edition of the show. I was there and I didn't think that that many people flowed through The Concourse over the two days but, again, I could easily be wrong.

If we had a sense of how accurate the attendance numbers we could probably kitbash what the conversion rate is (ie: how many attendees actually buy something). Even without that, though, we can come to some conclusions. There was a total of 338 tables at the 2007 edition of the Alternative Press Expo and the early bird special for a full table was $185.00. Assuming every exhibitor took advantage of the early bird special (and ignoring those who only did a half table), we get a total of $62530.00 (338*$185). That's how much all attendees would have to pay to cover the base table costs for all exhibitors. Assuming 4000 attendees, each individual attendee would have to pay out about $16.00 over and above the cost of admission. That means each individual table (NOT exhibitor) would have to have about 12 attendees drop $16.00 each to cover the table costs.

The big question is this: how many total attendees per table does it take to reach that magical number of 12 sales? If 10% of attendees actually spend the $16 bucks, each table would need to see a total of 120 attendees to make back their table costs over the course of the two day show. If only 5%, though, then it jumps to 240 attendees per table.

The spooky bit is this: if only 20% of the total attendees actually come prepared to buy, that's only a "buying pool" of 800 people (4000*20%). If each of these was prepared to spend $50 over the ticket price and food, then the maximum revenue possible is $40,000.00 (800*$50). That's $22530.00 short of the total base table cost. Not good. 'Course, I have no idea how accurate that number is, but it's something to consider if nothing else.

Does that jive with reality? Well, I can only speak for myself. I printed 300 ashcans of a little short story I did to give at APE. These were all free and I managed to give them all away. 15 I saved for Rory at Comic Relief and another 70 or so were put on the freebie table. That leaves about 215 copies that we gave away specifically at our table. Not everyone wanted one (even though they were free) but I figure that we probably gave 'em out to about 90% of those who swung by our table. That would give us somewhere around a total of 240 attendees who stopped by the table to look at my work. Again, not all took an ashcan and some only stayed long enough to grab one and scoot. Others took time to chat and flip through my portfolio. Now, I have no idea if others had 240 people drop by. Some may have had more and others less.

Now, I also gave out galleys of my full graphic novel, too. These are still a bit rough which is why I was giving them out instead of selling 'em. I saved the galleys for really interested people who seemed really keen on the story. Plus media, retailers, and few others. I figure I gave out about 20 of these at our table. If I'm right about the 240 attendee figure, that would put us at around 8% conversion from the ashcans to the galleys. If the same enthusiasm is needed for an actual sale, then that 8% figure is probably about right.

What does all this mean? Really, I think it's very hard to make money. Not impossible, mind you. And it certainly depends on what you want to get from a show like this. But I think it's quite tricky to do extremely well.

Von

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[info]andrewfarago
2007-04-28 03:17 am UTC (link)
Very good job on crunching the numbers. Charles Brownstein of the CBLDF, who pretty much lives at conventions (he must do at least 20 of them a year, going back to the late 1990s/early 2000s), once told me that APE's probably the most difficult convention for extracting money from people. I'm probably mis-remembering a bit, but here was his analysis:

Convention-goers start out the day with $40. Seven of that goes toward parking or transportation, seven bucks goes toward the entry fee, and another seven goes toward lunch or a snack. Everyone wants to go home with at least $5 in his pocket, so that he's not totally broke when he leaves, which means that everyone on the floor is competing for the $14 or so of spending money that the convention-goer has allotted himself (assuming that he isn't going out for drinks or dinner that night, in which case he's going to be even stingier). The people who are going to be spending more than that are probably cancelled right out by the people who aren't planning to spend anything at all, period. Fourteen bucks divided by 338 tables (most of which represent two or three artists) is a pretty scary number, isn't it?

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[info]vonandmoggy
2007-04-28 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I hear that. And it echoes my own thoughts (well, that's not saying much but y'know...).

I did a post that gets more into this at my own LJ (http://vonandmoggy.livejournal.com/267882.html).

Von

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[info]mattbayne
2007-05-01 03:57 am UTC (link)
I had this theory that the exhibitors between them bring $x to spend on other exhibitors, and that same $x makes its way around the con, getting gradually chipped away by people who buy from exhibitors that don't buy from other exhibitors, like publishers and professional con-goers.

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[info]andrewfarago
2007-05-01 07:17 pm UTC (link)
The amount that I'll spend on other exhibitors at APE depends on a few different variables.

*If there's a special guest I'm not likely to run into again anytime soon, I'll definitely clear some money in my budget to pick up one of their books. Carol Tyler and Justin Green were the two big names at APE last year, and it was Linda Medley at this year's WonderCon. Other than that, I tend not to spend very much on "big publisher comics" (if you can call Fantagraphics that), since I live in San Francisco and have about a half-dozen comic shops within walking distance of my apartment.

*There aren't a lot of mini-comics-level artists that I spend cash on, since most of my friends and I comp each other or trade minis, and I'd bet most exhibitors have that approach. I'm not going to be able to trade a stack of ten of my books to Fantagraphics for the new Peanuts book, but I think all of us try to make our cash go a bit further by swapping with other exhibitors when we can.

*I know a lot of exhibitors who flat-out won't buy anything at all, period. I've never had anyone refuse to make a trade, and I've never turned anyone down when they've suggested one, but a lot of exhibitors (especially the ones who haven't been doing this very long) are very conscious of how much money they've spent on producing a comic and exhibiting at the convention, and aren't going to relax until they're into the black. Once you've lost money on a few conventions, you're a lot more prepared for whatever's going to happen, whether it's breaking even, losing your shirt, or making enough to take all of your friends out for dinner on Saturday night (please note that this never happens).

*I think that most of my friends don't spend more than $5 or $10 at APE. They'll trade books with other artists, and might pick up a few must-have minis or sketchbooks, but I think artists are generally more stingy than the attendees (which should be obvious, but isn't always at this type of convention).

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